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Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

Last post 03-16-2009, 10:29 AM by MandyGz. 162 replies.
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  •  12-31-2008, 8:41 PM 3645158 in reply to 1609063

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    You should leave the dog alone and make  the owners have to put up a bond for there animals. Also it should be mandatory they have insurance on the dog for danages  done by they. And fines and jail time should be enforce if the owner failed to provide and keep the required bond and insurance.
  •  01-07-2009, 8:49 PM 3652026 in reply to 1609063

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    pit bulls are terriers by breed, and a terrier has great tenasity. therefore anything they (terriers) go after they will GO AFTER! unfortunately the pit has great jaw strength and bite. knowing this people need to be aware that they have the potential to be dangerous and deadly. but banning them is a ludacris idea. first of all it won't work, just check the beer cans and whiskey bottles in the dry counties in ark. second you can't judge a whole breed by a select number, if that were the case geo. w. never would've made it to the oval office. lastly, ALL dogs have the potential to hurt/harm/kill other beings...animal or human. ENFORCED leash laws and ENFORCED animal registration would help control some of the problem, but until you stop the sick minded people who train/bait these animals into what they are you will not solve the problem. did you notice it all comes back to the owner. but preaching to these scum will not work because they believe they are providing a service to "sport enthusiasts". do you think? oh never mind it's a mute point...because NO you don't think and that's the problem
  •  01-08-2009, 8:02 AM 3652222 in reply to 1609063

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    I think it is extremely unfair to ban certain breeds of dogs.  The real problem is the dog owner's.  Banning the breed isn't going to solve the problem, because irresponsible dog owner's ARE STILL irresponsible dog owners.  The people that don't leash their dogs, don't keep them inside a fence, or don't properly train and socialize their pets are still going to cause a problem whether they own a pit bull or a labrador. 
  •  01-12-2009, 8:02 AM 3655056 in reply to 1609063

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    No pitbulls should not be banned but those who wish to own would should be required by law to obtain some type of state offered course of the do's and don'ts of taking care of and handling them.I firmly believe it is the owners and not the dogs that have given them such a bad name.

    D. Thompson

  •  01-16-2009, 2:42 PM 3658900 in reply to 1609063

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    This is completely stupid and childish?  I mean come on yeah they come off a little territorial but can you blame them thats like a person that randomly walks into your house you just gonna stand there or attack.  Thats what i thought so grow up and leave the animals alone.  Good God i mean they are what you make them.  I've owned many and my son is 10 months and my daughter is 6 and they jump all over them and pull their ears , tails, hair you name it and i have never had any problems.

    This makes me sick how people can do this and say these things 

  •  01-20-2009, 7:48 PM 3663228 in reply to 3652026

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    momma p:
    ............ preaching to these scum will not work because they believe they are providing a service to "sport enthusiasts". do you think? oh never mind it's a mute point...because NO you don't think ...............
    It isn't a"mute" point nor is it: moot[point]look it up.  There is no difference in a pit bull and a gun, they are both used as a weapon! Many drug dealers have pit bulls.....many marijuana smokers have pit bulls....but duck hunters have labs. Bankers have poodles. Presidents have scotties, or cocker spaniels. Why do you suppose that is? Oh never mind, that is a moot point!







  •  02-01-2009, 8:55 AM 3677575 in reply to 3655056

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    I joined this place just to put an educated 2 cents in here.

    As a Vet I see this breed all of the time.  I, along with most veterinarians, will tell you that Pits are generally great dogs.

    Disadvantages - they are used for fighting, so when one does bite a person it grabs headlines.
     - They are powerful animals, so when they bite it does damage (as do several other large breed dogs).

    Other than those listed, they are great animals.  In my clinic, I have 2 pits as patients that are hard to handle, but it is becuae they are spoiled beyond belief and have had no discipline. I have literally hundreds of pits as patients that are great dogs.   I can tell you that most vets would much rather see a pit walk through the doors than a German Shepherd or Rottweiler.  Though many dogs in these breeds are great pets as well, they have more of a tendancy to be aggressive while being examined.  But, you don't see bans on these dogs being promoted due to the lack of social stigma associated with them. 

    In summary, the bans are simply useless and serve no useful purpose. 

  •  02-02-2009, 5:52 PM 3678852 in reply to 3677575

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    I have to agree with you Vetrock.  I am a vet. tech. and have dealt with literally thousands of Pit Bulls.  I can say that I have met some really really mean ones.  Some that would have gladly eaten my face had I got close enough.  I have also seen pit bulls that I would let play with my toddlers.  I have seen far more nice loveable pit bulls than I have seen aggressive ones.  You want my opinion the little dogs likes dashunds and chihuahuas are far more likely to bite.  Those dogs I would never let around my children. 

    So let me say it again.  Before you deciede one way or the other on this issue you should spend some time at a clinic that has some pit bulls as patients.  You might find that getting to know the breed gives you a better understanding of them than reading a few news articles.  Don't believe everything you read.  Real life experiences go much farther than any written words. 

  •  02-02-2009, 9:04 PM 3679022 in reply to 3677575

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    Vetrock:
    I joined this place just to put an educated 2 cents in here.

    As a Vet I see this breed all of the time.  I, along with most veterinarians, will tell you that Pits are generally great dogs.

    Disadvantages - they are used for fighting, so when one does bite a person it grabs headlines.
     - They are powerful animals, so when they bite it does damage (as do several other large breed dogs).

    But, you don't see bans on these dogs being promoted due to the lack of social stigma associated with them. 

    In summary, the bans are simply useless and serve no useful purpose. 

    Bans~promoted...that's like an oximoron...ROFL....can I bring my pet 100lb alligator to you, I believe he has an impacted molar????
  •  02-03-2009, 10:27 AM 3679652 in reply to 3679022

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    Denarky:
    Bans~promoted...that's like an oximoron...ROFL....can I bring my pet 100lb alligator to you, I believe he has an impacted molar????

    Well I am not sure about Vetrock, but I can say as a vet tech if your pet alligator (or any other animal) is ill then yes you may bring it to the clinic that I work at.  I do suggest that you use a vet. that specializes it that species (just because we may not have the necessary equipment and medications to treat your friend).  But as a vet tech I want to ensure that all animals recieve the medical attention that they need. 

    Just as human doctors can't pick and choice who to treat and who not to treat, vets cannot choice which breeds not to treat.  What if a doctor decided to not treat and certain race of people, or a certain religion, or maybe they just don't like treating tall people.  Sounds crazy right?  Well, vets can't not treat an animal either. 

    Aggressive, large, small, ugly, cute, or sweet, if you bring your pet into a vet they took an oath.  They can't just say go away I don't like that breed.  And as a vet tech I have worked with many many aggressive animals and never once did the vet I work for, the other techs, or I say oh well he is too aggressive let him suffer.  I was bit by a large dog and after wrapping my arm, I went right back to trying to apply medication to an open sore on that same aggressive dog. 

    Pit bulls are some of the sweetest most gentle dogs if raised in a loving home.  If you don't believe me then go meet a few.  It can't hurt for you to really learn the breed before sentenceing them all to die.  A little education goes a long way.  And banning pit bulls is not going to stop pit bulls from being in the cities.  It will just stop legal pit bulls from being in the city.  The dangerous ones will still be in the city.  There is no way to stop that.

  •  02-03-2009, 11:38 AM 3679711 in reply to 3679652

    Re: Do you think pit bulls should be banned?

    2mom99:

    Denarky:
    Bans~promoted...that's like an oximoron...ROFL....can I bring my pet 100lb alligator to you, I believe he has an impacted molar????


    And banning pit bulls is not going to stop pit bulls from being in the cities.  It will just stop legal pit bulls from being in the city.  The dangerous ones will still be in the city.  There is no way to stop that.

    So will AK47s....Uzis.....Glocks....even the" evil black rifles";  M/16s!
  •  02-13-2009, 11:56 AM 3692273 in reply to 1609063

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    Do I think Pit Bulls should be banned? ABSOLUTELY NOT.   Please read the following article that is in my book....


    Sincerely,

    Mel

    K-9 Kampus



    First, let us define the term Bully Breed. Most of these breeds can be traced to, and many contain at least some noticeable traits from the Mastiff, or mastiff “type” dogs. These dogs were large and powerful animals, and were bred to be so in order to more effectively and efficiently perform their required duties.

     

    Though there is no specific breed labeled as “Pit”, the two breeds most commonly referred to under this classification – The American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier – have lately become associated with the American Bulldog, Presa Canario, Dogo Argentino, and even the Boxer under the one singular categorization as “Bully Breeds”. Though some of these dogs attribute a portion of their varied history as bait dogs or fighting dogs and/or wild animals in a pit, their very inception and subsequent existence neither stems directly from nor hinges upon these activites.

     

    Originally, many of these types of dogs were bred and kept by butchers specifically to take down and control unruly oxen or other cattle – hence the “Bull” or “Bully” reference. These large and powerful animals were essential to the day-to-day duties of the butcher, and were considered as much of a valuable resource and necessary tool of business as was the butcher’ cleaver.

     

    Some of these butcher’s dogs were also used for hunting purposes, benefiting from the dog’s already well defined attributes and skills for capturing and, if necessary, killing their quarry. One must also keep in mind this was before the wide spread availability and use of firearms in hunting and that the dog has been used for hunting purposes since the beginning of the domestication process.

     

    A portion of these breeds were originally bred specifically for the hunting of large and often dangerous wild game. The pursuit and subsequent capture of this quarry required a dog of high stamina and endurance, coupled with a very high strength to weight ratio.

     

    The boxer, however, can be traced to inception by the German Military as a war dog – a very light, quick, agile and courageous dog charged with the duties of carrying medical supplies and messages between outposts and through the trenches of both World Wars. Eventually, the Boxer’s tasking was increased to perform as a sentry and guard for the German troops.

     

    With the earlier defined breeds, there exists a definite timeline within their history involving fighting dogs as well as other dangerous animals in a pit. These fights were commonplace across Europe during the 16th Century, often held as large gatherings of the upper class. Essentially, these events can be equated to our modern day boxing events. Prized fighters are shown, exhibited, and promoted as the better fighter, therefore the safer on which to place your bet. Ultimately, these two will face each other in the ring, and the fight will ensure. The difference here is that routinely one of these fighters, and quite possibly both, would die in this fight.

     

    Animal fighting, or “pitting”, eventually became viewed as brutal, barbaric, cruel, and inhumane. This sport was eventually phased out of view, but not completely out of the picture. Although, various legislation bills, and laws have been passed against the proliferation and conduction of the sport, those deeply involved with dog fighting have not given up their beloved sport easily.

     

    Although dog fighting has now been banned in most every civilized country in the world, it sill continues today in the back alleys of our cities and the back yards of our neighborhoods. Though no longer officially sanctioned events, there exists an extremely strong network structured around the promotion and performance of these fights, as well as for the promulgation of the animals involved. This network spans across country, reaching into every community, and has evolved into a private society fueled by power, illegal drugs, and money.

     

    The animals used in the current fighting rings are barely a resemblance of their ancestors, and are by no means an accurate depiction of what the earlier breeds were actually bred for. Specifically, while the earlier dogs may have been used at times for fighting, the dogs were bred primarily to perform specific tasks that were essential to the society in which they lived.

     

    A majority of the dogs associated with this category today are typically much smaller in size as an adult than were their predecessors. In addition, these dogs are severely lacking in social skills as a direct result of irresponsible breeding practices focused towards promoting antisocial behavior in the dogs, coupled with cruel, often barbaric mental and physical conditioning the young dog is exposed to.

     

    It is not at all uncommon for these young dogs to be exposed to other dogs fighting. By witnessing this behavior and receiving positive reinforcement for exhibiting any aggressive tendencies towards either of the dogs fighting, the dog rapidly comes to understand that this is not only allowed and acceptable behavior, but, most importantly, this is the desired behavior for the dogs to exhibit. Through this process, the young dog is imprinted with the activities in which they are expected to engage. The young dog may then be beaten, placed with a much older and stronger dog to fight, or may even have their neck and muzzle protected in a manner by metal covering or even barbed-wire that prevents the dog from receiving deadly injuries, while also preventing the young dog to from fighting back.

     

    Though it is widely believed that processes resembling the one above produce a much more courageous and tougher fighter, the resulting product is actually a dog which lives in fear, and though they may exhibit what appears to be a self promoting attitude, confidence, and extreme aggression, these are all symptoms of a great underlying problem.

     

    This dog fears everyone, and more specifically, every dog because of the earlier foolhardy conditioning process. This dog has come to believe every person and every dog is an eminent threat, and in the interest of self-preservation, the dog must lash out, aggress, engage, and fight as long as necessary. The dog without obvious provocation will very often exhibit these actions. It is imperative to understand, however, the provocation existed early on in the conditioning process of the dog, and has become ingrained in the dog’s perception of the world around him. This perception has created a dog with the belief there are no options available for dealing with this particular situation other than by exhibiting the traits and characteristics instilled and promoted in the dog through previous experience.

     

    This dog is prevented from ever experiencing a fulfilling life since he can never achieve a true level of comfort in any environment because of his overwhelming fear and concern of eminent threat. This dog is a by-product of people driven by the illusion of control, the acceptance and promotion of violence, and the ever-growing pursuit of power. To these people, the fighting dogs are merely disposable pawns in a game of social insolence.

     

    With all this in mind, it is important to remember that there are many dogs within our society that do not fit the mold above. Simply because there are people who make the conscious choice to engage in the types of activities outlined above that does not automatically make every representative of every breed concerned, or the owners of them, just as evil. Not only would such an association be short sighted, it is narrow-minded and wrong.

     

    While there is unquestionably a very large number of these dogs who will never be able to function within society, much less within the bounds of a family, we must arrive at a reasonable, responsible solution to the problem, other than simply wiping out entire breeds. There are many representatives of the various breeds who perform many different tasks, from hunter to personal assistant, that conduct their duties while also operating as an integral member of the family involved.

     

    Recently, it has become an ever-growing stance for knee-jerk reactions to create rash, thoughtless, and shallow decisions. As of late, municipalities across the country have enacted bans on the possession of “Bully Breeds”. Many more are considering similar bans, while some are working towards enacting legislation requiring such dogs be spayed/neutered before they achieve four months of age.

     

    While we discuss the pros and cons of spay and neuter in the relevant chapter, this particular situation opens additional concerns. The “Bully Breeds” are being singled out, and if effective, this type of mandatory altering will work along with breed banning to completely extinguish not only a particular breed, but also an entire “type” of dog. There are absolutely zero questions as to the very agenda of the persons involved with generating, promoting and passing these types of legislation, regardless how caring colorful their initial proposal may seem.

     

    The concerns of breed banning are far reaching. In regards to the “Bully Breeds”, this banning is not reserved to an actual breed, yet a type of dog. How many of these bans also call for the banning of the Boston Terrier, the Pug, or the French Bulldog, even though they fit the loosely defined criteria of the ban? None. Absolutely zero. Primarily because, again, these bans are concerned with “type” of dog rather than breed, and these particular breeds just don’t create enough public emotion. This is one of the glaring faults of the banning process.

     

    Most importantly, we must understand that passing the legislation banning these dogs is the most difficult part of the process. This process revolves around how much public emotion can be created to support the particular ban. This emotion is created out of fear and lack of education. As long as the general public can be scared enough through the presentation of “facts”, polls, statistics, and surveys, though flawed and skewed in favor of the agenda, coupled with inundation of the sensationalism from television and newspapers, the purveyors of this legislation pave the way for its passage.

     

    Beyond this point is where the danger lies. Once the ban is in place, specifically bans based upon type, association, or other loosely defined criteria, the amending of this legislation is much easier. What this means is that once the ban legislation is in place, and then another breed or even type of dogs loses public favor, or, even the favor of particular Representative or Senator, the stage has already been set to add this breed to the ban.

     

    Breed banning is not the answer for any of the dog issues pressing in today’s society. Breed banning amounts to nothing more than selective extermination of a particular “type” of dog, supported by public emotion that is long on fear and short on education.

     

    The first step towards arriving at a realistic, long lasting answer is education. As professionals in this industry, it is our collective liability to ensure this education is not only available to the public, but to also pursue the avenues within our individual scope to stifle the purveyors of myths, fear, and misinformation.

     

    The second step to this answer is responsibility. At this point in this book, hopefully the canine services professional has at least some insight to the responsibilities we have to the dog, and to this industry as a whole. Part of this responsibility is the constant pursuit of step one: sharing of education. The greater portion of this step is the practicing of responsibility. We must individually put into action the very things we are asking the rest of society of practice. The canine services professional has a great opportunity before them to be an example of responsibility to the entire community of dog owners in the care, housing, rearing, and conditioning process of the dog. Individuals must make the commitment of responsibility to the dog, as well as to educating their neighbor.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  •  02-13-2009, 7:22 PM 3692742 in reply to 3692273

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    I say ban them....it's way too late in the game to try and sweep their vicious record under the rug with fancy words! Humans were put on earth to dominate over the animals...not the other way around! TJMHO ~Denarky
  •  02-15-2009, 5:08 AM 3694146 in reply to 1609063

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    Oh how I wish Pit Bulls would be banned from my community.  It is true that breed is not at fault, people are the problem. Unfortunately people will excersise their "right" to own any kind of dog they want, and train that dog as they see fit, regardless of the rights of their family, friends and neighbors and often without personal concern for the safety of those they choose to put into harms way. It would be unfair to judge ALL owners of this breed by the behvior of a few but most of the Pit Bull owners I have seen in my hometown are not upstanding pillars of the community. I will admit that my experience is limited to my own small town, however, it does not change the fact that the house down the street with two or more Pit Bulls in the yard (loose behind a fence) was raided this summer for being a meth lab. The fact is when Pit Bulls attack they kill people.  A family member of ours watched helplessly from behind a fence as her neighbors "sweet" Pit Bull pulled their three week old baby from it's bassinett and mauled it to death while the childs mother (the owner) who was hanging wash in the same back yard, fought to save him, she failed and the dog was destroyed.  The child's mother committed suicide within the year, and our Aunt was in counseling for years after. We as a society will not regulate who gets to own any breed of dog.  There is no test to take to see if you are the type of person who will be responsible owners of a potentially deadly animal.  It has fallen to the people affected negatively by irresponsible owners to make changes in the best interest of the majority. Pit Bulls are dangerous and in my opinion not worth the risk.
  •  02-16-2009, 9:59 PM 3696414 in reply to 3694146

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    Thank you for the post, I know how hard it is write about such a sad event in your family!  One life lost is worth more than all the pit bulls.........especially that of an infant! It makes me very sad and disillusioned when I read  about all these people trying to cover up for the viciousness of these freak-bred animals! ...."suffer the little children to come unto me, and do not hinder them, says the Lord.........."    I would hate it terribly to have had anything to do with such a senseless loss of human life  ~Denarky
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