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i strongly agree.... hello school boards... they will be the first to look into punishment at home what right do they have to punish our kids in this way at school

I think paddling is OK if the student chooses it over an alternative punishment like detention or suspension.  In Texas, paddling is used a lot in high schools and you usually get a choice like a 3-swat paddling or 3 hours Saturday detention for something like a third tardy.  In 11th grade I caught parking in the teachers lot, and got a choice between Saturday detention and a paddling.   Since we had a volleyball tournament on Saturday that I would have to miss if I got detention, I took the paddling.  It was administered by a 250 pound female assistant principal and coach who paddled about as hard as she could.  I am 5'1" and weigh 100 pounds.  It hurt like crazy and my butt was sore for literally a week.  It was actually hard to play volleyball because it hurt everytime a I jumped or ran and my cheeks vibrated.  But it was still better than having to miss the tournament, which would have happened if paddling was not allowed.  I did not park in the teachers lot after that.

First I want to say that spanking children in Arkansas is legal, (Sec. 9-27-303(B)).  But try to tell that to a child services worker. 

But again I say that only a parent should be allowed to spank a child.  The only people who should spank my children are me and my husband.  I would never allow anyone else to spank one of my children, including other family members and of course never a teacher or any school employee. 

Both of my children are too small to be punished in any way, but when they are older, if they talk back to me or lie to me they will have to answer for it.  And if my children get in trouble in school then the teacher should call me or my husband and we will evulate the sitution and determine what if any punishment should be done.

My experiences have shown that most of the time the teacher is wrong about what they think happened, and sometimes the teacher will out right lie to keep themselves from getting in trouble.  That is why a parent should always evulate the sitution and ask the child what heppened before deciding if any punishment is needed and if so what kind of punishment should be used.

I'll say this, then I'll not post here again! Spanking is done with the palm of the hand, or a belt and sometimes a small switch....beating is done with a board.....Jesus was beaten with something that had bits of glass and stuff imbedded. For spanking to be legal.....you should have to give consent, and only after you know the method which will be used. ~Denarky.

Denarky,

What level of education do you have?  Where did I state a word about the disabled or the veterans?  I was referring to parents who continue to have children and use our system up with free housing, food stamps, free medical care, and the like.  These are the very parents who will not attend a parent-teacher conference.  These are the very parents who DO NOT ever participate in ANYTHING at THEIR children's schools....I have a great respect for our veterans and feel they are also insulted by freeloaders on our system.  I also have compassion for the truly disabled.  However, I know many who are on disabilty and should be out working.  They have emotional problems, they cant think straight, blah blah blah....what will happen to our entire country if we, the working class, who by the way are very overtaxed, sit down too? Personally, I have no desire to take care of someone who is as healthy as I am and too lazy to support themselves or their children.  If a person chooses to have children, they should also teach them how to live and function in the world outside their door.  If a person decides to have children, they should have a way to take care of them.  Where is it written that working people should take care of those unwilling to work?  The Bible says to help take care of the widows and orphans. Widows were married and their husbands died.  Orphans lost both parents.  Single mothers having children by as many different men as there are children, are hurting us all.  Birth control is free and if a person cant get to a place to get birth control, abstinence is a guaranteed method of birth control.  It  has one hundred percent accuracy.  Our society is in trouble.  Schools reflect our society at large.  Self discipline does not exist in many of our youth but they have NO role models to follow.  They have never ever seen a functioning adult.  This is a vicious cycle and we need to stop it now.  We have up to five generations where the fifth generation is still on welfare rolls.  It is past time to worry. It is time to stop depending on someone else to take care of those who wont work.

Gee, Professor, I am getting a sense that you have an anger issue. First off,  you left out the reason many people aren't working....you know; businesses that outsource to foreign countries[not to mention hiring illegal aliens]. They only do it to make more money, slavery is cheap in foriegn countries still[and goes on even today in the USA]. Bearing in mind now, that the problem you have with people that survive on government assistance, is that you have to pay taxes.....who takes more of that money would you say?? The people you hate(?) or the Government?? I believe, that the largest surplus wealth this country ever saw, was/is Social Security. The Government raped that so badly that it now appears defunct! We all know what rape is, right(?).....it's something taken without permission, and never paid back. Considering that in the early 80's the Social Security with-holding was raised to cover the so called  "baby-boomers"....why do you suppose SS now can't cover those very folks? It should be apparent. The problem is not these people you speak of, with so much disdain, it's the very top echelon of this country who have driven us into complete banruptcy to the tune of; enough hundred dollar bills that when stacked one atop the next, will reach far into outer space....Mars, shall we say? Choke down that hatred now, and realize that everything is not always about money! It's about humanity! If Parents don't teach discipline at home, it will not be taught in schools...only rebellion, and anger! Exactly the things that teach children to be violent and manifest their anger in violent ways! Nosir, I am not a professor.....and proud of my intellect! Thank-you very much!! ~Denarky

Hello 2mom99,

I am the MAD MOM, I agree with you 100%.  I would never permit anyone but myself or my husband to paddle our children. Since I've been here in Arkansas I have indured serveral unjustices by the School District.  On several occassions my girls were punished by a system that only believes what an adult says over a child, and it is so true how a teacher or administrator will lie to save there a__.

MAD MOM

Denarky,

I dont hate anyone...I do loathe laziness, and I wouldnt mind the taxes I paid if we did not take care of so many able bodied people who keep reproducing and wont work.  As for politicians, you are right.  If there was a way to fire them all in Washington, I would certainly agree to it.  But, we do not have the ability to support all these people.  I actually know people who have house full of children who are disabled due to mom's drug abuse while pregnant.  She should be in jail.  I just think we should work if able, raise our children with care and concern about the world they live in, and TEACH RESPONSIBILITY....you cannot name me one government agency that works like it is supposed to work.  When you give all these benefits with no guidelines, it becomes a lifestyle instead of a stepping stone to improve a person's life.  I hear people laughing about the "government" paying for their food, medicial bills, rent, and such.  Why should I feel obligated to give money to them?  Even the Bible says you are to earn your keep by the sweat of your brow....Believe me, if I knew the answer to societal problems, I would be a millionaire and not a low paid public school teacher with few benefits.  I love my students and I try to nurture in them the love of others, our country, and to put forth effort in what they do..when my students succeed in learning, that is what keeps me going to work every single day.  You have certainly misjudged me.  I am a proud American who takes pride in my family, my work, and my little corner of the world.  I am tired of those who wont even try.

 

profplumm:

Denarky,

I dont hate anyone...I do loathe laziness, and I wouldnt mind the taxes I paid if we did not take care of so many able bodied people who keep reproducing and wont work.  As for politicians, you are right.  If there was a way to fire them all in Washington, I would certainly agree to it.  But, we do not have the ability to support all these people.  I actually know people who have house full of children who are disabled due to mom's drug abuse while pregnant.  She should be in jail.  I just think we should work if able, raise our children with care and concern about the world they live in, and TEACH RESPONSIBILITY....you cannot name me one government agency that works like it is supposed to work.  When you give all these benefits with no guidelines, it becomes a lifestyle instead of a stepping stone to improve a person's life.  I hear people laughing about the "government" paying for their food, medicial bills, rent, and such.  Why should I feel obligated to give money to them?  Even the Bible says you are to earn your keep by the sweat of your brow....Believe me, if I knew the answer to societal problems, I would be a millionaire and not a low paid public school teacher with few benefits.  I love my students and I try to nurture in them the love of others, our country, and to put forth effort in what they do..when my students succeed in learning, that is what keeps me going to work every single day.  You have certainly misjudged me.  I am a proud American who takes pride in my family, my work, and my little corner of the world.  I am tired of those who wont even try.

 

We may in fact have misjudged each other. I can see now, you are generally compassionate and level headed. I agree when one says: all who can work should work.....just as intended. But like those kids born to the junkie mother...and veterans coming home from a war, they didn't choose, and were irreversably harmed, or the fireman or cop who was doing his job when disability put them out on their own; they are the responsibility of all Americans and rightly so. Just like a man's pets who neither work, nor bring home the bacon.....they should be taken good care of. What make people so angry about this country taking care of it's own, is simply because of the politics that divides us all. The Lord said: ....let there be no divisions among you....and he said it for a reason. So if one must complain, let him complain about the criminals in institutions that live like kings at the public expense or the countries that hate Americans and Christians, that get billions in foreign aid; first, before taking everything out on our own citizens. And whenever complaining about social programs and the people helped by them....always clarify....by saying; those that don't desrve it. If you think about it, that could include a lot of politicians! I extend the hand of peace and friendship then! ~Denarky

I bear no ill will toward DeNarkey....I am a public school teacher and believe me, I could write books about our children who live with drug addicted, welfare supported parents.  It breaks my heart because I am supposed to teach our children to be honest, hard working, and law abiding citizens....yet, they have no true role models to watch....I love this country and have no desire to reside in any other in the world, but those who do not deserve help should stop getting it....many use their children as meal tickets to get through life....it just concerns me what in the world will this country be like when my grandchildren (and I have five) be like when they are adults...God Bless and  Help Us All to Try to Make this World a Better Place....thank you for your kind words...

No I don't think paddling should be allowed it's the parents job at home to punish our children .I think that the schools have to many rights over our kids as it is .I think our schools are to caught up in their authority now .My kids are very aware that if they are scolded  at school then they lose their privleges at home .I also understand that there are kids that are just trouble and get in to everthing but that childs parent should be copeing with this at home so they want act out anywhere else

Wow, If I can get in trouble for spanking my kids, what makes the school system think they can get away with it. By law they have to be in school. And by law, I can protect my children. I do believe not allowing parents to "spank" children in the home is the problem with todays children. I'm not in NO means saying beat. (Big difference) Parents have lost all controll over the children.

What can you do "by law" if your 12 yr. old slaps you??? Hit them back? If I would of done something like that to my parents, I would be picking myself up off the floor. Kids now days know if a parent punishes the child, the parent gets turned in. The child, nothing. When I was in school, we didnt worry about being shot. People have made a big deal about spanking.

I have a 23 yr. old, when she was growing up, I busted her butt if she needed it. I did not beat her. Then about the time they started saying parents cant "spank" my daughter used it against me. She told me go ahead, I'll turn you in. I told her, ok, go ahead turn me in, you have to come home some time. The "Law" told the kids they can do whatever they want. The "Law" said the kids can drink, do drugs, shoot people at school, dont worry about it, nothing will happen.

When I enroll my children in school I DONT sign the papers for the school to punish my child. If anyone is going to spank my child it will be me. I dare the schools to physically touch any of my children. If they have a problem with one of my kids, they can call me, I'll come deal with it.

I like the way you think. Nobody else had my children. Nobody else should punish them. Someone tried once, and I wasnt fit to be tied. I called the DA. (In another state.)  And he told me that off the record a parent can do what ever it takes to protect a minor child. The people that are pushing for these laws, what would they do if someone came up and hit there child with a board? I bet they might just change there way of thinking.

When i was growing up there was all kinds of things used to bust my butt,whatever could be found  quickly and i am all the better for it .I have never been in trouble with the police or never once sent to the office while i was in school.Because i knew when i got home my mother or grandmother would be on me like white on rice .(lol)

    I am raising my kids the same way with a few less butt whippings now days they tell you to take what is fun to them away and thats all fine but if it came down to it i will do what has to be  done .I don't like it but it's whatever the circumstances call for.

   My mother and grandmother never would have given permission for the school to punish me or my brother.And we both are doing things the same way.

Right on Jessicanrio,

I agree with you 100%.  I am the mother of 5 children.  You are on the money.  Like you said, again, If the government would quit butting in telling us when, and how to discipline our children.  I'm old school, I been around over 50 years, I noticed the change of childrens actions right around the time the government stepped in.  If they had left things the way they were, who's to say we might even be better off.  Spare the rod.

MAD MOM