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Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

Last post 03-09-2009, 11:13 PM by Coles. 9 replies.
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  •  02-21-2008, 9:24 PM 2575784

    Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

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  •  02-22-2008, 8:31 AM 2578755 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    No, bans begin on little things and like the plague, they multiply, and before you know it.......you've tromped on the Constitution, and someone's constitutional rights. Besides, some big cities do real well pulling young men and boys from of the streets. Drugs are a lot worse than boxing IMO! ~Denarky
  •  02-22-2008, 3:52 PM 2583297 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    NO.  I thought this was still America.

    I haven't seen them ban NASCAR racing after Dale Earnhardt died traveling in a continuous circle for up to 500 miles at excessive dangerous speeds.

    What about the accidents in high school football, cheerleading and other sports.  I haven't seen movements to ban those either.

  •  02-22-2008, 4:31 PM 2583724 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    Absolutely not!  I think it is a sad day for the Representative that he is not more concerned with improving education, medical care, our roadways - using his powers in the Legislature to help us all.....rather than trying to restrict a legal sport.  Or is he also tackling bull riding, professional wrestling, high school football, four-wheeling, drag racing,....the list is endless. 
  •  02-23-2008, 10:44 AM 2592724 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    Anyone that's ever been to a true Toughman competition knows that they are operated very safely.  The rounds are short, the gloves are heavy, and most of the fighters get too tired to really inflict any serious damage on anyone. 

    Also, there have been more deaths in high school basketball games this year than there have been deaths in a boxing ring, so why isn't a ban on basketball being considered?

  •  02-24-2008, 7:12 PM 2611146 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    I'm glad to see this question posed here and would like to take the opportunity to show why the Toughman (but not other amateur boxing organizations) should be outlawed here in Arkansas, just like it has been in 15 other states, including three of our neighbors: Texas, Tennessee, and Missouri.

    As most of you know by now, one of our participants in the Texarkana Toughman contest died last week after suffering severe brain injuries in the competition.  Meanwhile, Art Dore and his Toughman organization left town with their profits.  End of story, right?

    When Sen. John McCain filed legislation in 1997 in an attempt to ban the Toughman competition nationwide, he called the contest a form of "human cockfighting." That's one reason that other reputable amateur boxing organization detest the Toughman. Amateur boxing is governed by Colorado Springs-based USA Boxing, an organization that has banned Toughman participants from its sanctioned amateur bouts.  They shouldn't be lumped in with the Toughman.

    Are the participants aware of what they're getting into?  The deceased Texarkana contestant's father told the Texarkana Gazette that his son "just thought it was going to be a night of recreation...with all of the super-sized head gear and gloves, he was sure he could not really be harmed.” Let me offer up a few other examples to show why the Toughman is not your ordinary amateur boxing competition, and why the participants aren't adequately informed of the dangers:

    When first-time boxing amateur BobbyTroy DePue entered the Toughman ring, he didn't know his first opponent was a three-time Louisiana Golden Glove winner who had 56 amateur fights under his belt. Unfortunately, he'd never find out. You see, that fighter, Terry Vermaelen, had discovered in previous Toughman competitions that referees allowed fighters to use a variety of techniques that would be illegal in sanctioned boxing. One was holding the back of an opponent's head with one hand while hitting him with the other.  By the second round, Vermaelen was punching at will, holding the back of DePue's head with his right hand and pummeling him with his left. DePue finally turned to the referee and said, "I've had enough." The referee stopped the match, and DePue walked a few feet before collapsing. He died later that night.

    • Florida: After a death at a Sarasota Toughman event, it was found that there was no physician ringside, even though at least one is required by Florida law. Mr. Dore told the Wall Street Journal said there was a physician's assistant on duty and that besides, a physician isn't necessary at a fight. "Really, an EMT is a hell of a lot better to have in case anybody gets hurt anyway," he said. "You know, doctors don't know what they're doing."

    • Michigan: During a period of time when the Toughman was under a cease-and-desist order issued by the state of Michigan not to hold events there, Dore set up an event at an Indian casino in Michigan, complete with a national pay-per-view audience. "That's a sovereign nation," he said. 31 year-old Scott Wood was killed at that event.

    Is this the kind of event we want in Arkansas?  If this group was willing to implement reasonable weight classifications and prohibit the elimination portion of the contest, that'd be one thing.  Sanctioned amateur and professional boxing organizations separate contestants by weight classifications that rarely vary by more than 10 pounds. Toughman competitors can be outweighed by 100 pounds or more.  Why?  Weight disparities increase the odds of a knockout, and that is what fans pay to see.

    The elimination aspect is why other boxing organizations detest the Toughman. If a contestant continues to win, they continue to fight and must also come back the next day to fight. Most professional boxers will tell you that this is the easiest way to get hurt and that amateurs can't possibly know the dangers associated with multiple fights in one day.  Professional boxers are taught to protect their head, an objective that can be physically difficult in itself after a few rounds. Once a fighter becomes exhausted (especially those with little to no training), blows to his or her head are more easily accomplished, and that is what leads to the most common cause of death among Toughman fighters: multiple concussions and hemorrhaging of the brain. There are numerous others living in America today with brain injuries caused by these contests. For those that don't have insurance, you and I are footing the bill for their medical treatment.

    How many more people are going to have to die before we at least set some additional parameters for this organization?  The Toughman is on record as saying that it'll go anywhere where it can "make a buck." We can do better than this.  Amateur boxing is great -- the Toughman is not.  Let's work on enhancing and attracting other respectable amateur and professional sporting events to Arkansas.

  •  02-24-2008, 9:14 PM 2612460 in reply to 2611146

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    In that case, McCain would likely agree, that joining the army to go fight in IRAQ so some fat oil cats can enrich themselves at the expense of:  The Lives Of Many Of Our Young Men And Women; should also be banned....not to mention legalizing a bunch of mexicans that includes murderers, sex offenders, and carreer criminals, that have entered this country illegally?! Go figure!! ~Denarky
  •  03-01-2008, 12:25 AM 2680935 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    Yes, I do think it should be banned. It should have been banned after the first death. Is history just going to keep repeating itself? This not only killed a man but a family. How many more is it going to take? And as far as the fighters are too tired to do any damage that is a damn lie. The guy Branden fought that was his first fight for the day and Branden had just gotten done with several that were back to back!! Why the hell could the guy just not stop when he gave up? Why? How could you take it that far when you know you have won!! And what kind of ref could you be to allow it? It is rediculous and needs to be stopped!!
  •  03-01-2008, 12:40 AM 2681062 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    Is this some kind of joke?  Ban amateur boxing?  Why the heck would you suggest that?  I swear some of the things people think of or out of this world!  Boxing is a good sport with rich tradition and great fans!  I just cant think of a reason to ban it!

  •  03-09-2009, 11:13 PM 3722480 in reply to 2575784

    Re: Do you think there should be a ban on amateur boxing?

    I have fought in the amatures and it is highly regulated, in fact when things got out of hand in one of my fights me and my opponent both got disqualified. So for Arkansas amature fighting to be banned hell NO . But for tough man I think there should be more weight class. I think no more then 10 pounds diffrence. Because when I was in amatures some times I had to spard guys that were 5 pounds lighter then me and I could walk threw there punchs and mine had greater affect on them. So you take me at 165 and let me fight a person at 140 and it would be a fact that he would get hurt.Power in a person punch changes fast with weight, and some people can already hit hard for there weight,so just amajine what happens when they fight someone 10-15 or more pounds lighter. I really think that tuff man leaves such a big gap in there weight class for the big wowwwwww KO. that really isnt justified unless the person is close in weight      Well thats all I got to say.
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